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[kyra_ojosverdes]

Jesus speaks through the Republicans

I hope the election of George W. Bush is seen as a wake-up call to all the liberal Democrats who oppose God's will.

It is His doing that George W. Bush is still our president. Millions of born-again Christians helped win this election through our prayers and votes. Jesus speaks through the Republicans.

The Democrats will not be able to win elections until they renounce their sinful ways and stop encouraging abortions, gayness, and trying to take away our guns.

Earl Balboa

Washington Township

Comments

[spider88.livejournal.com]

Dammit, you're awesome. I get to add you to my rather short, but terribly educated list, of Bible scholars. :)

Leviticus, in addition to being concerned about mixed fiber and menstruating spouses, also was concerned with what kind and how many animals to kill in offering to God. I also don't see much of that going on anymore.

Interesting view of Paul. I have such a terrible attitude towards him I hadn't even thought of what positive, contextual spin their might be.

[kyra-ojosverdes.livejournal.com]

Be sure to add qatar to that list. She's far more educated on Bible matters than I.

(I just grew up reading the thing again and again and again and again... it seriously pisses off a fundie when you can take the verse they're quoting at you, name it, place it in context, and quote it back with the three or four verses which appear on either side and prove that they're trying to make the verse say something it doesn't.)

[spider88.livejournal.com]

it seriously pisses off a fundie when you can take the verse they're quoting at you, name it, place it in context, and quote it back with the three or four verses which appear on either side and prove that they're trying to make the verse say something it doesn't.)

Don't I know it. :)

Doing this with my grandmother is frustrating though. Context, nothing - we'll end up arguing about the meanings of each word...Mostly I don't try anymore. I just ask her questions as she enjoys talking...

[kyra-ojosverdes.livejournal.com]

Paul was a product of his time and place... it's hard to forgive what he did to Jesus' message (took a "people before rules" radical social message and turned it right back into the "rules before people" system that Jesus railed against), but certain parts of his letters are pretty much to be expected given when and where he lived.

[spider88.livejournal.com]

See, I agree with that. But if you're talking to a fundie, they will insist that Paul was writing with God's guidance, therefore it is True and Timeless. *sigh*

[kyra-ojosverdes.livejournal.com]

Like the Constitution! Only it needs to be amended because of The Terror of Gay Marital Bliss! But other than that, it's timeless and never needs amended. Except next time the right wing wants to use it to take away personal and civil rights or ensure some group never gets them in the first place.

(Thing is, since the Constitution is less than 300 years old, it can be argued with some authority that its language and tone still very much suit the current era. That's tougher for a book whose most RECENT additions are at least 1700 years old.)

[ravensword.livejournal.com]

Not to mention that it's most recent editions come from a culture so foreign to our own as to be...well....foreign, and stuff...(Okay so my vocabulary and ability to metaphor has gone the way of the Wild West...gone...or dramatically faking a poorly scripted death scene...)

It slays me when fundamentalists can't even apply their own rules with consistency. They'll rail on about homosexuality and dismiss the rest of the things that the same book says are "abominations" without even batting an eyelash.

Makes me crazy!

Hence

[shmuelisms.livejournal.com]

We have the wonderful parody of Christian "pick-and-choose" fundie-ness, in the web-site beautifully called:

God Hates Shrimp
But then of course, the Christians have so little [if any] understanding of the Books Of Moses, because they don't have any of the rather extended commentary that came with it. For starters, G-d doesn't "hate" anything.