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Yes, but if they did all that, wouldn't that make them Republicans? Ergo, the Democrats still wouldn't win... you know, according to this idiot's view of things.

"renounce their sinful ways and stop encouraging abortions, gayness, and trying to take away our guns."

God wants us to have guns, and it's a sin to take away the guns! Give back the guns or you're opposing God's will!

What?!

Yes, because we really want people who think that Democrats encourage people to be gay and (get pregnant so they can) have abortions to not have guns. You know, in opposition with God's will (also known as making sure that crazy people don't lose it and go around shooting people). Next thing you know, they'll accuse the Democrats of wanting to medicate them so they'll stay in their happy place. hehe!

Well, God did say "Thou shalt not kill," but God said NOTHING aobut shooting to maim.

NOTHING.

It was that Jesus guy who said "Love your neighbor" and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." He claimed he was quoting previously established divinely-appointed rules, but obviously that's not the case, as Mr. Balboa has made clear.

For the ten thousandth time! It reads "Thou shall not murder.", as in Homicide #1! a sheep of a completely different color, don't you think? [Not that killing is all nice and dandy, mind you ;-)] This is something the Church screwed-over rather thoroughly, and I can't imagine why, considering all of the bloody violence that the Church has condoned over the years.

LOL... I stand corrected. And all illuminated by the oil lamp.

Yeah, I shake my head over the "Yeah, but THIS mass killing of people is TOTALLY DIFFERENT" justifications.

So GOD fixed the vote!

God needs to be prosecuted for voter fraud and vote tampering.

isn't that thing anti gay like old testiment? i'm not a bible person, so i don't know. but old testiment is also goat sacrificing and lots of other things that even the pope doens't do.

The Hebrew Bible (aka Old Testament to Christians) says that Jews should not have male/male sex. The word used to condemn homosexuality (To'evah) is the exact same word used to condemn mixed fiber clothing, the eating of shellfish and cloven-hooved animals, and sleeping in the same house (tent, whatever) as one's menstruating spouse.

Christians don't get too bent out of shape these days over poly/cotton T-shirts.

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah, widely used as proof that God will blast all homos to itty bitty pieces, is more likely a cautionary tale about the consequences of inhospitality. Ezekiel says, "This was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." [Ezekiel 16:48] Jesus, in Matthew 10:14-15, is the one who comes up with the idea that the sin of Sodom was inhospitality when he compares the possible inhospitality the Apostles might experience to the inhospitality of Sodom, saying that on the day of judgment it will be more bearable for Sodom than for the cities that reject them! Finally Jude sees the sin as seeking to interbreed with angels.

Jesus never said a single (recorded) word about homosexuality, but it should be noted that the Roman soldier who came to Jesus asking for healing for his servant was almost certainly asking healing for his gay lover. Jesus would have known this, and didn't see fit to comment on it. He just healed the guy. (My GOD, could maybe some Christians use Jesus for an example???)

The bulk of anti-gay language in the Bible comes from Paul. Even that is open to interpretation. One prominent interpretation is that Paul was condemning the practice of older, wealthy men purchasing sex from younger, poor men and boys... in other words, prostitution.

Damn, that brings back the heady days of debating on Beliefnet.com!

Dammit, you're awesome. I get to add you to my rather short, but terribly educated list, of Bible scholars. :)

Leviticus, in addition to being concerned about mixed fiber and menstruating spouses, also was concerned with what kind and how many animals to kill in offering to God. I also don't see much of that going on anymore.

Interesting view of Paul. I have such a terrible attitude towards him I hadn't even thought of what positive, contextual spin their might be.

Be sure to add

qatar to that list. She's far more educated on Bible matters than I.

(I just grew up reading the thing again and again and again and again... it seriously pisses off a fundie when you can take the verse they're quoting at you, name it, place it in context, and quote it back with the three or four verses which appear on either side and prove that they're trying to make the verse say something it doesn't.)

it seriously pisses off a fundie when you can take the verse they're quoting at you, name it, place it in context, and quote it back with the three or four verses which appear on either side and prove that they're trying to make the verse say something it doesn't.)

Don't I know it. :)

Doing this with my grandmother is frustrating though. Context, nothing - we'll end up arguing about the meanings of each word...Mostly I don't try anymore. I just ask her questions as she enjoys talking...

Paul was a product of his time and place... it's hard to forgive what he did to Jesus' message (took a "people before rules" radical social message and turned it right back into the "rules before people" system that Jesus railed against), but certain parts of his letters are pretty much to be expected given when and where he lived.

See, I agree with that. But if you're talking to a fundie, they will insist that Paul was writing with God's guidance, therefore it is True and Timeless. *sigh*

Like the Constitution! Only it needs to be amended because of The Terror of Gay Marital Bliss! But other than that, it's timeless and never needs amended. Except next time the right wing wants to use it to take away personal and civil rights or ensure some group never gets them in the first place.

(Thing is, since the Constitution is less than 300 years old, it can be argued with some authority that its language and tone still very much suit the current era. That's tougher for a book whose most RECENT additions are at least 1700 years old.)

Not to mention that it's most recent editions come from a culture so foreign to our own as to be...well....foreign, and stuff...(Okay so my vocabulary and ability to metaphor has gone the way of the Wild West...gone...or dramatically faking a poorly scripted death scene...)

It slays me when fundamentalists can't even apply their own rules with consistency. They'll rail on about homosexuality and dismiss the rest of the things that the same book says are "abominations" without even batting an eyelash.

Makes me crazy!

We have the wonderful parody of Christian "pick-and-choose" fundie-ness, in the web-site beautifully called:

God Hates Shrimp
But then of course, the Christians have so little [if any] understanding of the Books Of Moses, because they don't have any of the rather extended commentary that came with it. For starters, G-d doesn't "hate" anything.

ok, i am very much against the exploitation of underage people.
not against prostitution. make it legal, tax it, regulate it.
i'm for legal gay marriages. with all the heartache and legal gimmies that come with.
i'm for freedoms as long as it doesn't impact on other's freedoms. and what goes on in my bedroom...or closet, or kitchen, or bathtub, or backyard, or back seat, impacts no one but me and hubby.

and having said that...damn, woman, you're very well educated. AND smart enough to use it.

I'm with you on prostitution... I do consider prostitution to be an exploitation of the poor, but hell, what industry DOESN'T exploit the poor? I guess the difference is that people feel they have a right to murder people who work in the sex industry as a means of getting food and clothing and shelter for themselves and possibly for their children. (There are lots of female sex workers who are supporting children.)

Legalizing and regulating prostitution would lead to many good things, including the possibility of unions and other collective bargaining power on the part of the folks who are just trying to survive.

not to mention the safety of the young men and women, and stop the spread of some diseases.

but i'm also advocating the legalization of marijuana. it's been proven to lessen the impact of my disease significantly, lower my hyper immune system, increase my appetite, lower nausia, when that is a problem, and have less side effects on other things in my body. and it would be much cheaper than the drugs i'm on now. as in, i could afford it. right now, i'm back on my drugs, and dealing with the side effects on my body and wallet. cause i just am too sick to function on any but the most passive level. god, these things are even hard to swallow. and so many of them....yes, i know, i'm a weenie. where's my vaunted strength now?

yes, i know, i'm a weenie. where's my vaunted strength now?

Bullshit. Strength includes doing the things you need to do in order to survive and function as best you can. It also includes staying focused, as much as is possible, on reality... and reality includes budgets and the fact that money doesn't grow on trees and that it's well and truly fucked up that a medicine which DOES in fact grow on bushes is unavailable to you despite its many benefits.

I'm for legalization as well. Marijuana is FAR less harmful than alcohol, and it's arguably gentler than tobacco.

i am feeling weak today, been in pretty bad pain for about a week now, and i swear, my anus has been dipped in acid. oh, and a giant worm is eating it's way thru my intestines. such fun! i'll feel a bit more up to the game when i can stay awake all day, and eat 3 meals, and not hurt. oh, and can i please have a serving of energy as well? *wry smile here*
hubby is so wonderful, took me out today, always helping me over and around the simplest of obsticals, always asking if he's going too fast. tells me i took care of his entire world for years and years, and it's his turn now. damn, i trained that man well!

anyway, if offered a joint right now? as much as i love to obey the law, and stay really really out of jail, i would take it with thanks, and smoke that puppy up. thinking of drugging myself legally to oblivion tomorrow, and just sleep. i don't work, well, hubby says it's a hard job i have running a family and trying to stay well.

i'm not really ever gonna give up. but yeah, i really do get tired and weary of the whole thing.

thanks for your support.

I have a friend who has Crohn's disease. When it's good, he has a fairly normal life. When it's bad.... it's really, really bad. So, yeah. Being able to stand and walk and maybe even leave the house can be huge accomplishments.

Chronic disease just WEARS at you. There is something about knowing that your disease will always be there... better, worse, or in transition, it's there waiting for another flare-up... that just sucks the will right out of you sometimes. ***hug***

wow, i dont' know anyone with crohns. i did my research, of course, but there's just not a lot out there. so, all i know is the bare bones, and what my doc chooses to share with me.
he's the only one in town that specializes in this, and of course he's one of the only people i know who really doesn't like me. he thinks i'm fat and lazy and undisciplined. most people like me, or at least warm up to me. it's been years. still iceburg city.

could you do me a favor, please? i know you're a busy woman and all, but next time you see him, ask him if he has any advice, life experience, what have you, that i could use? it's hard, 'they' say that it's not a lifestyle choice, it's not genetics...and stress can bring it on, and pills, if you take all of them, will help. (i've learned not to buy cheap toilet paper, even tho we go thru tons and tons, keep hemeroid cream by the toilet, and a throw up bowl by the toilet, the bed, and my chair, keep reading material in the bathroom, and try to get enough sleep) i mean, does he get really tired all the time, even when he's getting better? i'm sorry, i just have tons of questions. *'.'*
i've got one pal who insists if i eat only bland, it will all go away. my experience says otherwise. it's not what i eat. it's my innards have a mind of their own.
thanks for understanding...well, we did know you had a big ole heart, i mean, that's who you are.

sleeping in the same house (tent, whatever) as one's menstruating spouse.

It doesn't say anything about "living arrangements" (That would be RATHER harsh, and difficult to uphold). It prohibits intercourse, and only that, with a "menstruating spouse". :-)

Lovingly picking Katrina's nits, for almost two years now.

Ah. Thank you!

I'm always coming around to Bible-beating morons and trying to take away their guns. They take away my liberal license if I don't.

I'll take away their candy, too.

But the gayness! You're forgetting to encourage gayness!

Yes, but through which end?

I tried really, really hard to come up with something cleaver to reply with.

I got nothing.

Tempting idea, to reply with a cleaver. By the Grace of God do I restrain myself.

I know quite a few people on the religious left who would be horrified at reading that. Morons like that give Christianity a bad name.

I would really like for all of the hardcore Evangelical KKKristians to stop trying to make America suck and move off and form their own ignorant country, Jesusland.

Think of it! All they need are a few distant islands and an offshore oil tanker.

http://www.bju.edu/letter

In your re-election, God has graciously granted America—though she doesn't deserve it—a reprieve from the agenda of paganism. You have been given a mandate. We the people expect your voice to be like the clear and certain sound of a trumpet. Because you seek the Lord daily, we who know the Lord will follow that kind of voice eagerly.

Don't equivocate. Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ. Honor the Lord, and He will honor you.

Why do Christian fundamentalists hate America?

cause they're running out of other things to hate?
lets see, hate jews and gays. and pro choicers. and advocates of birth control.
but lets not have anything to say about helping the poor, unwanted and uncared for children, the way health care is for the wealthy only, the desecration of our planet under tons of micky dee's cups, rudeness, cruelty, needless death....etc.

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